Observations and Learning from the LGA Review into the Conduct of the Audit and Governance Committee on 22nd February 2017
This report is provided for Committee members to consider the recommendations in the LGA report that relate to Audit & Governance Committee.
Members considered a report presenting recommendations contained in the LGA procured report that related to Audit & Governance Committee.
The Chief Executive attended the meeting to present the report and answer questions from the Committee.
response to Member questions the Chief Executive stated that she
had been at City of York Council for less than two years and was
unsure as to whether Members had previously been asked to sign a
confidentiality undertaking. As she had not been involved with the
Staffing Matters and Urgency Committee which considered the report
she was also unable to advise Members as to whether they had signed
an undertaking. She clarified that she had received
advice from three sources on the legality of the confidentiality
The Deputy Monitoring Officer reminded Members at this point that they would need to move into private session if they wished to discuss this legal advice in detail. She explained to members that, although they had already signed the Member Code of Conduct, that the confidentiality undertaking was a further safeguarding measure. This was not intended to question the integrity of Members, but rather to demonstrate their commitment to keep this information confidential.
In response to Member questions the Deputy Monitoring Officer stated that:
· All but three Members of the Committee had signed the confidentiality undertaking;
· The confidentiality undertaking was put in place to enable the Chief Executive to allow Members to access the exempt information ahead of the meeting.
· Those three Members who had not signed the confidentiality undertaking would still be allowed to access the exempt information at the meeting, if it moved into private session; and
All Members would be
expected required to return the exempt information to the Democracy
Officer at the end of the meeting.
Following advice from the Deputy Monitoring
At this point in the
meeting it was agreed to exclude the
press and public and move into private session at this
point, to allow all Members to consider the confidential legal
Councillor Rawlings made the Chair and Chief Executive aware of
his wish to remain in the room during the private session, as
Shadow Executive member for Economic Development and Community and
Engagement, which was the portfolio covering governance. After a short recess, where she took advice from the Deputy
Monitoring Officer, the Chief Executive advised Councillor
he would have that, following the
advice she had been given, she had made the
decision to exclude him from to leave the meeting as he
was not a Member of the Audit and Governance Committee, and had not
demonstrated a need to know the exempt information in order to
carry out his duties as a Councillor. He was therefore not entitled
to access the exempt information. She also stated that
letting Councillor Rawlings stay would change the political balance
of the meeting. The Chair commented that he would
have allowed Councillor Rawlings to remain in the
The Chair (Councillor Steward – Vice Chair), Councillor Lisle and Councillor Kramm stated that they would not take the confidential annex from Officers as they would have to hand this back in at the end of the meeting, which they said was not usual procedure. They also reiterated their feeling that a confidentiality undertaking was unnecessary, as they had already signed the Member Code of Conduct. Finally they stated that they would not have long enough to read the report, given that usual practice was to provide papers 5 days working days before the meeting. At this point in the meeting they left the table. Councillors Steward and Lisle chose to remain in the public gallery and Councillor Kramm left the meeting.
The remaining Committee Members nominated Councillor Williams as Chair for the remainder of the meeting.
Councillor Reid moved to adjourn the meeting and Councillor Mason seconded this motion. On being put to the vote this motion fell, with the Chair using his casting vote.
The Chief Executive verbally updated the report to amend the references to the ‘LGA report’ to instead refer to the ‘LGA procured report’. This was to clarify that a consultant solicitor had been procured by the Local Government Association (LGA) to undertake the work.
The Chief Executive then presented the report, seeking additional comments from the Committee to those already proposed as a result of the learning from the LGA procured report. The Chief Executive explained that only the recommendations contained in the public report could be dealt with by this committee, as the recommendations in the exempt annex had all been dealt with via other processes and were provided as background information only.
The covering report proposed:
a) That both the Chair and Vice Chair of the Audit and Governance Committee are offered briefings prior to each committee meeting. It is recommended that these are mandatory.
b) That, whilst Chair training is covered within the new Councillor induction, it is recommended that focused Chair training to Chair and Vice Chairs be provided as soon as possible, including bespoke training around data protection and confidential privilege.
c) That care is taken to ensure a room is of sufficient size for meetings and fit for purpose.
d) That it be clarified that security staff are present to facilitate movement of the public within the building where a higher level of public attendance is anticipated.
e) The report highlighted that a professional working relationship between Officers and Members based on mutual trust and respect is crucial to the good governance of the Council. Officers provide advice and guidance to Members on issues, and it is for Members to make decisions having regard to that advice, acting reasonably and within the law for the benefit of the communities they serve. The Staffing Matters and Urgency Committee recommended a cross party working group, via Group Leaders, be established to build on ensuring the organisational culture promotes a strong professional relationship of trust and confidence.
The report also explained that Officers commit to the organisational culture of transparency, but there are times when there are legitimate reasons to keep matters confidential in the public interest. At times a balanced judgement must be made about whether the disclosure of information is in the public interest. Some decisions are finely balanced, and require Members to consider advice received, when applying public interest tests.
Members considered and debated the report, together with the exempt information.
Members agreed that briefings prior to committee meetings for the Chair and Vice Chair were beneficial, but that these should be diarised and made available to Members, to be used where appropriate, rather than be made mandatory.
Members considered that further training, in addition to the Chair training in the new Councillor induction would be beneficial to provide a refresh, particularly as new Members may not be tasked with chairing a committee for some time. Members recommended that a programme of training be made available for all Chairs and Vice Chairs. This could include the role of Chair and Vice Chair, management of committee procedures, exempt information and confidential information, GDPR and the legal scope of access to information for Members.
Members also considered that, in order to build further confidence, the Chief Executive could consider making presentational skills training available to all Officers who attend committee meetings as part of their role.
Members agreed that careful management of room bookings and security for visitors is currently in place, and should continue to be monitored.
Members also debated the appropriate forum in which to consider reviewing the Council’s constitution, as it was felt this may assist in providing clarity in its construction. It was agreed that the Customer and Corporate Services Scrutiny Management Committee (CSMC) was the correct forum to consider this, rather than Audit and Governance Committee. This could be undertaken in liaison with Joint Standards Committee, who had already programmed a review of the Member/Staff protocol found within the Constitution.
Members agreed that this was an opportunity for looking forward in relation to strengthening professional relationships between Members of this Committee and Officers, and noted the Chief Executive’s comments at paragraphs 20 and 21 of the Committee report.
Resolved: That the following recommendations for improvement are made:
a) Briefings for Chairs and Vice Chairs of committees be diarised and attended as appropriate, but not be mandatory;
b) A programme of training be made available for all Chairs and Vice Chairs, which may include the role of the Chair, management of committee procedures, exempt information and confidential information, GDPR and the legal scope of access to information for Members;
c) The Chief Executive considers making presentational skills training available to all Officers who attend committee meetings a part of their role; and
d) That consideration be given to Customer and Corporate Services Scrutiny Management Committee reviewing the constitution, to provide clarity on its construction. This could be undertaken in liaison with Joint Standards Committee; it having already programmed a review of the Member/Staff protocol.
Reason: In order that the observations and learning from the LGA procured report and the response from Officers be taken forward.